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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.03.11 01:27:00 -
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BS >>> Everything
What else is new? -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |

Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.03.11 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Riaz Qaadir
Congrats, you also didn't attend maths lessons.
Its the same penalty for all ships, I didn't compare t1 vs t2, if remove that penalty of t2 and use t1 and OMG the balance is the same because it modifies everything the same way! (although muninn improves slightly due to better t1 long range ammo).
No it is you that fails.
1. Scorch is long range ammo for short range turrets wich is the best kind of T2 ammo.
2. Long range ammo for long range weapons sucks.
3. Your comparison is flawed in many ways
4. You fail at EFT warrioring
5. You fail at sisi warrioring
6. You fail eve.
7. Cancel your account please. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |

Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.03.11 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren 600-700 DPS at 100km is *NOT* a freakshow and nor is it useless - you just aren't applying the correct situational template. The reason that the Rokh hasn't wtfpwnd all other snipers is because there is no default 250km warp in point. There is a 100km warp in point.
Also, its relatively trivial to get a 140km optimal out of the 1.1 Apoc on EFT... which lends alot of credence towards the 220km pulse apoc (presumably using T2 rigs etc) that was referenced.
Now, I realize that EFT isn't perfect, and it isn't Eve, but it hasn't been wrong about my optimal range yet.
-Liang
But maybe its better to blame the real villain instead? Its the non stacking range mods that are the problem, not the new bonuses on apoc. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |

Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.03.11 16:40:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
1. Scorch is long range ammo for short range turrets wich is the best kind of T2 ammo.
2. Long range ammo for long range weapons sucks.
Just to trim the ad hominem from his post and ensure you get the point. And btw: QFT.
-Liang
Exactly, the CORE problem is more that the only good T2 ammo is the long ranged short range turret ammo. 3/4 T2 ammo types need fixes. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |

Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.03.11 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
But maybe its better to blame the real villain instead? Its the non stacking range mods that are the problem, not the new bonuses on apoc.
Yeah, thats where my biggest beef lies... but good DPS at 100km is not as useless as its being made out. :)
I think it'll make for a great fleet sniper (maybe the best?) once the patch hits, but I honestly am not jealous. FFS, my sniper BS of choice is the Tempest... 
-Liang
Yes 100km dps isnt bad but the apoc is getting the same kind of bonus zealot gets. No one was complaining about 50km zealot pulses, why such a big fuss about the apoc bonus. The apoc has a choice now to fit pulses and dominate BS-mid range combat. Its fine. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |

Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.03.11 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow Rails need a boost.
But that would overpower eagle even more  -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |

Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.03.11 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
But that would overpower eagle even more 
You can't claim the Apoc is fine in one breath and the Eagle OP in another. ;-)
-Liang
I said the bonuses on apoc are fine but the non stacking rigs not.  -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |

Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.03.11 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Riaz Qaadir
Who died and made you god since QOTSA? You were alright back then but my god you've developed into a right selfrichous ****. Just because you say it doesn't make it true.
Here you go with t1 ammo.
Did you use range rigs on the hacs aswell?
So youre one of the old QOTSA eh? Why dont you come out and post with your main then and show some QOTSA honor. Since you opened the subject...You might remember me saying back then (wich was like back in 2006) that amarr needed serious fixing and buffs. Youre prolly one of those people back then that said that wasnt true. Guess what, amarr got some fixes finally. It turns out I was the one that was right. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |

Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.03.11 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire Also he used t1 ammo not FACTION ammo (which boosts damage by 15%)
ALSO: he forgot to add higher transversal velocity (200m/s is possible to mantain w/o any speed mods)
And for guys who think that this setup is viable: Your fleet WILL have amarr, cald, gall, min ships in it. WILL you warp at 120km so your "uberpocs" will have range? And thus leave enemy in higher damage range (even enabling em to use t1 snipers)?
Or maybe you will warp at 160+ km (thus disabling t1 snipers) but then... owait: your apoc is useless.
And guess why most GOOD fleets WILL warp at 160+km: because it removes any threat from noob snipers. And "pulse apocs".
Yeah hes doing alot of number manipulating to prove a point that doesnt exist. Then he tries to make me look like the bad guy. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |

Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.03.11 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: BlackHorizon Edited by: BlackHorizon on 11/03/2008 21:37:26 This screenshot is a few weeks old, but it's what will be possible on TQ tomorrow. 
Screenshot
sisi != tranq -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |

Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.03.11 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Deva Blackfire
(and FYI yes its possible even NOW just around 160km range). No idea why people are panicking...
This. It was already possible before to get sniper range with pulses, why is it such a big deal now all of a sudden. Its not like we saw alot of 160km pulse snipers... -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |
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